Originally by: king jks

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Tbh, until I get the ability to shoot your guns off your ship, stfu.

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Originally by: Valandril

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.

Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.

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And domi got close to no pg

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Originally by: Valandril

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: Valandril

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.

Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.

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And domi got close to no pg

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Plz check the cpu/pg of a t2 fitted siege laucher raven ( a cruise missile raven does significantly less).

And why is armor tanking worse than shield tanking for npc?

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Coz its slower, and at least on raven u can fit full rack of bs sized guns and bs tank, on domi its not possible :]

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Originally by: Belenkas

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A strange OP, gotta say.

What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.

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Originally by: Djerin

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: Belenkas

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A strange OP, gotta say.

What would you tell if you would need a lowslot module - launcher slot - to field missile launcher in the high slot? Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Some Gallente ships are better with guns, thus not having large dronebay, and other ships are drone boats, thus are quite bad on turrets, but to compensate, they have the bigger drone bay.

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You get drones ADDITIONAL to your guns on a gallente ship, cant you see that?

Plz look again... Megathron.. bad with guns?

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Man, Mega ain't the only ship with 125m3 dronebay. The Geddon has it too. And what about the Typhoon? You're crying because there ain't no droneboat for Caldari. But do you see anyone crying about no missileboat for Gallente? If you want to use drones go get a f*cking Gallente boat. But please cut your rubbish posts...

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Originally by: Susan Acid

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A low slot for a Drone bay you say?

What a great idea.Then,EVERY ship could be a drone boat.

Sure.Then I can have an Ares that has the same drone space as a Domi.

I have a suggestion for you.Train Gallente.

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Originally by: Susan Acid

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Originally by: Fanjita

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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The disadvantage? A fitted Dominix with t2 heavies does less damage than a t2 fitted Raven as well as being able to have it's weapons disabled (although yes, the domi can bring quite few replacements). The issue is NOS.

Also since the Domi does less DPS than the Raven and since shield tanks are far better than armor tanks for NPCing there really is no contest when it comes to missions.

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Ive never been able to disable a domis nos or guns without blowing up the whole ship so what exactly was your point here?

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90% of PvP Domis don't have guns.Drones can be destroyed/disabled.

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Originally by: Kye Kenshin

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I swear when people like Calmdown were around this forum wasn't half as stupid as it is now.

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Originally by: Susan Acid

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Oh great!Now he's picking on all Gallente ships.

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Originally by: Selia Rain

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Have you ever tried fitting, you know, guns on a dominix?
Or even getting a workable armor tanked large blaster fit?
Or, you know, fitting more than 2 heavy nos on a domi?

Dominix has gimped powergrid for a reason.

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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They get drones cos, for the most part , Gallente ships are designed to operate at extreme close range where they are most vulnerable.

There isnt a BS in the game that doesnt have at least 50m3 of drone space, which is enough for mediums or lights to use as frig defense.

Given that a Raven or Rokh or Scorp or moa or caracal or cerb or nearly any Caldari ship you care to mention are designed to operate at range, what benefit would they get from a drone bay large enough to lauch multiple waves of heavies?

None, thats what.

Once you go past about 20km drones are pretty much useless as an offensive weapon, they take too long to travel and ranges like that they WILL get shot down.

So you idea for no fixed drone bays should be put in the same place as your ludicrous idea for 90km warp disrupters.

Straight in the bin.

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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They get drones cos, for the most part , Gallente ships are designed to operate at extreme close range where they are most vulnerable.

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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There isnt a BS in the game that doesnt have at least 50m3 of drone space, which is enough for mediums or lights to use as frig defense.

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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Given that a Raven or Rokh or Scorp or moa or caracal or cerb or nearly any Caldari ship you care to mention are designed to operate at range, what benefit would they get from a drone bay large enough to lauch multiple waves of heavies?

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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Once you go past about 20km drones are pretty much useless as an offensive weapon, they take too long to travel and ranges like that they WILL get shot down.

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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So you idea for no fixed drone bays should be put in the same place as your ludicrous idea for 90km warp disrupters.

Straight in the bin.

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Originally by: Lore Isander

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Its not only the BS... all ships get high drone bays... but less stay with them.. why does the gallente tier 2 bs have more than 50% more drone bay than other factions? Does it gets any disadvantages for it? NOT AT ALL, use your brain.

Err, Geddon has a 125m3 bay too.

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Originally by: Spigoe

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: Lore Isander

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Its not only the BS... all ships get high drone bays... but less stay with them.. why does the gallente tier 2 bs have more than 50% more drone bay than other factions? Does it gets any disadvantages for it? NOT AT ALL, use your brain.

Err, Geddon has a 125m3 bay too.

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read first, write then...

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I didn't know factions had dronebays. But oh well.

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Originally by: Entity One

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Quote:

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You are conviently forgetting the fact that just about every shield tanker has to put 2-3 damage mods just to get to the dps level of there gallente counerpart w/o any damage mods.

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You're conveniently forgetting that you're comparing other weapons to blasters, which are supposed to be among the heaviest hitting weapons in the game.

The OP was just stupid. He conveniently left out the real disadvantage that most gallente ships have, which is range. Anyone who can successfully dictate range against a Gallente ship has a huge advantage. If you think it is difficult to pop drones, you suck. If you are even trying to shoot at a drone within scoop range of a drone carrier, you suck. The easiest way to kill a myrmidon? Keep them in scram range but not in web range, and laugh when the myrm's dps evaporates because his webbed drones can't make it back fast enough.

Gallente ships are close-range specialists. If you're up against a pilot with any degree of skill, drones become a close range weapon as well because a webbed drone = dead drone. The reason that gallente ships are perceived as being better than others is because range is almost automatically dictated in solo pvp by web and scram range. If there was an affordable, 50 km warp scrambler I can guarantee that Gallente ships would become next to obsolete.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Obsolete?

Best interceptor: Crow
Best interdictor: Flycatcher
Best PvE vessel: Raven
Best (only) EW battleship: Scorpion
Best fleet ship: Rokh

The Rokh gets its award for out-ranging all other competition while fitting the high intensity shield tank that allows it to get out under fire where an armor tanker would have popped before his rep was done. There are more damaging options, but the only thing that applies damage to a Rokh is another Rokh.

The only thing Caldari do poorly is solo-pvp. I started Gallente and trained Caldari for PvP and PvE. Gallente ships are fun, good for solo-pvp, small gang warfare, real do or die stuff, but beyond that I would rather take either a Minmatar or Caldari ship (Minmatar alpha is still good if it's applied by enough ships )

The only place that Caldari need attention (other than the Moa and Ferox) is capital ships but the balance of capitals in general is currently awful. Though even here being able to apply the damage type of your choice to POS shields is very useful.

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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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I thought the whole idea of this game was diversification.
Why the hell would we want all ships to be the same?

Like I said before, if you think Gallente ships are so over powered, then train for them, job done.

Obviously that's too much of a challenge for you, maybe WoW would be right up your street?

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Originally by: Xequecal

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Fitting ions will loosen the fitting a lot and still keep a very high damage

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True. This is a significantly cheaper version, better tank but less damage:

6x Ion Blaster Cannon II

MWD II
Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster

3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
2x PDU II
Shadow Serpentis Co-Processor
Internal Force Field Array

Ancillary Current Router I
2x Core Defence Operational Solidifier I

The shield rigs cost less than half what the current routers do, and this gives you a much better tank. Of course, you have to use Ions so you lose a lot in the DPS department.

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Lt Angus

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What a painful thread to read

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agreed... CCP need to make me a mod so I can lock flamebait threads like this where the OP just sits there and yells at everyone till they all agree with himm...

we are not children, if everyone says you're wrong, you're wrong...

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Lt Angus

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What a painful thread to read

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agreed... CCP need to make me a mod so I can lock flamebait threads like this where the OP just sits there and yells at everyone till they all agree with himm...

we are not children, if everyone says you're wrong, you're wrong...

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*has to laugh so hard, it hurts his belly* Yeah sure.. thats why america is still undiscovered by europeans...

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/me switches into Benn Helmsman mode
shut up moron

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 19:42:28

Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Lt Angus

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What a painful thread to read

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agreed... CCP need to make me a mod so I can lock flamebait threads like this where the OP just sits there and yells at everyone till they all agree with himm...

we are not children, if everyone says you're wrong, you're wrong...

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*has to laugh so hard, it hurts his belly* Yeah sure.. thats why america is still undiscovered by europeans...

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/me switches into Benn Helmsman mode
shut up moron

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Ah man you are so funny.. you cant even see the difference between flaming and a real argumentation.. Spamming and trolling without any point to back up you position is just so poor.. maybe i will give you a few isk in game so you dont have to starve...

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how about you go back to your 2-man corp where everyone likes you? you spam constantly, this thread is useless... everyone says so, and yet you refuse to accept it

shut up *****

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Originally by: bldyannoyed

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What is the piont of this thread though?

As far as i can see it boils down to 1 thing.

You don't like Galente and won't be happy untill theyve been nerfed back to the stone age.

It's not like you're ven arguing for a fix for problems you see with Caldari pvp, cos nerfing Gallente wont help em.

Caldari will still suffer because oft heir shield tanking and a few iffy railboats, it'll just mean that everyone who trained large hybrids wont have ANY ships worth putting them on.

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Edited by: Litus Arowar on 14/07/2007 20:07:29
and since that first post all you've done is tell people to shup up without any real balance solutions

this is as thought out as yout 90km scram post, IE not at all

try to read some of the counter arguments that people who haven't lost patience with your stupidity have provided, and then read your responses to them... I can't even aproach your level of rudeness, and I'm trying

oh and by the way, being in a 2-man corp after corp-jumping for the past year and a half tells me you don't get along with people very well... surprise surprise

[EDIT] congrats, you've given me my new sig! "And btw: Could a mod give this guy a snip for constant insulting without giving any point to the topic?" this is the epitome of irony my friend, I **** you not

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Originally by: Shari Vegas

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Benn, I have to say, you're kind of an annoying git.

Anytime anyone makes a counter argument to anything you say, you effectively stick your fingers in your ears while running around screaming "Lalalalala I can't hear you!"

Gallente have large Drone bays because that's how CCP made the RP value of their race.

If you're that concerned with Drones then spend half your SP investing in them, and fly a Gallente drone boat, or suck it up and get over it.

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Originally by: Mitsuko Anari

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Edited by: Mitsuko Anari on 14/07/2007 20:12:52
I dont like how the raven gets its launcher slots for free.

Nerf!

If you dont agree with me your an idiot. Please shut up. lalalalalalalalala. I'm not listening.

Edit: damn shari beat me to the "Lalalalala I can't hear you!"

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 20:14:03

Originally by: Litus Arowar

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Edited by: Litus Arowar on 14/07/2007 20:07:29
... snip ...

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Well maybe you havent realized, that i had to defend the need of a change here, because people where in the (imo) wrong position, that gallente has no disadvantages for their big drone bays. And because nearly nobody seem to understand tat because of (provable) wrong facts, i stopped caring about what should be the fix...

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does this remind you of anything? maybe the scrambler thread? stop this ****, read the forums for awhile, go back to lurker mode instead of starting inflammatory threads that NO ONE ******* AGREES WITH!

yes, gallente are strong right now, but they weren't always this strong, and they won't always be! caldari are still the best for PVE, but maybe one day they won't be

if you have issues, try to figure out what they are, and put together a well-constructed post, not a "OMG I DIED THE GUY HAX WITH GALLENTES!" bull**** post, like the long-range scram one was as well... oh sorry, you never actually own up to that being the reason behind it...

you wanna learn how to post constructively? go read the khanid mk II thread... you'll see what a thought-out post looks like... you'll see constructive discussion... and you'll see an OP that doesn't scream at people who disagree, wether they're right or wrong, and who actually takes fricking criticism

****!

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Originally by: Litus Arowar

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drones are the gallente weapon of choice, as a result, the gallente get less turret slots compared to amarr (see domi vs arma, megathron vs apoc)... since the armageddon gets a 125m^3 dronebay, it's clearly the best ship in the game... omg nerf amarr!

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Originally by: Susan Acid

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:20:34
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:17:28
Hi,
I want to be able to solo a Domi at close range in MY RAVEN but I can't.Because I have such a bad tactical understanding of Drones/ships and how they work and have no clue how to fit MY RAVEN to deal with this or take advice from others I would like all Gallente Drone boats nerfed.

I havn't put any thought into my argument or done much research.I dunno....erm...maybe a low slot oor something vague.It just seemed like a good idea because I just got my a*** handed to me by a Domi pilot.

I don't care what you say because MY RAVEN should be easy to fit and fly and just like Pwn hard 'n stuff.

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tbfh

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Originally by: Kunming

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Originally by: KD.Fluffy

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If you look at the drone boats they have less slots and about 30% less fittings than gunboats. (myrmi being the exception)

So if that is not bought with slots and pg, I really don't know what is...

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This isnt entirely ture. Myrmidon has the powergrid to fit an amazing amoutn of stuff. But this is also beside the point. The point is Raven - 75m3, Mega 125m3. It almost has twice the drone bay! This is effictively a abonus over the raven. Its true with all the smaller ships as well. Moa 15, thorax 50!

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Originally by: Kunming

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Caldari ships have their advantage over gallente ships in different areas than range, i.ex. range and EW. Gallente ships, despite everyone talking about fast ships, might be faster than caldari ones, but are slower than amarr and minmatar ships; they are also very vulnerable to ECM, a speciality to caldari. DPS isnt the only attribute ships have you know.

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The problem is: range is not a real advantage, since long range weapons deal a very low damage compared to close range (even without gimped caldari slot layouts). There is just no good reason to not use close combat, maybe beside of fleet combats, where the hyperion just outclass the rokh (listen to eve tv lately? even this bob-guy says the rokh is only good until you can use t2 ammo...).

Originally by: Kunming

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The caldari doctrine is to keep the range advantage as long as possible, and use ECM to get out of tight situations or disable the opposition completely. While the gallente game is to close that range as fast as possible and reach the target, since at close range its a guaranteed win (therefor the huge ammount of DPS from blasters and drones, otherwise why choose short range when u can have same DPS potential over long range?) and use damps to try disable the range advantage or reduce ECM superiority.

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There are 5 ships which get a bonus to ECM: Griffin, Blackbird, Falcon, Rook, Scorpion... I like to see some dedicated ECM ships because before the change/nerf everybody used them... the problem here is: even in this high specialised ships you need a high SP only to get a not-so-bad chance of jamming. While you can put some ECM drones on a gallente ship to get high chance to jam your oponent for free and really small SP.

Originally by: Kunming

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BTW cause of fitting, especially CPU (PG on domi) restrictions gallente boats always need to choose between tank or gank, trying to fit both ends up you having an insufficient tank and insufficient DPS to break a tank before yours fails. Gallente tanks use up alot of slots both low and med, you always need a cap booster running just to maintain the setup, thats why most experienced people choose to fit full gank with passive or no tank. I'm sure caldari boats have their own problems, but thats the whole point of my post, they are oppositely different races.

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Maybe you expect to much of your ships? You want an extreme hard tank (like dual reps with a rack of hardeners) and at the same time a dps over 1k plus cap booster to run it until your charges are down...
And you are right, they are oppositely different races: Situations Gallente ships are more efficient 95%.. Situations Caldari ships are more efficient 5%

Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Seeing as you want to nerf drones so much, would you mind terribly if we make missiles dependent on tracking as well?
Would be fun to see what you caldari guys would say if your missiles started to miss half the time

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Seeing as you want to nerf drones so much, would you mind terribly if we make missiles dependent on tracking as well?
Would be fun to see what you caldari guys would say if your missiles started to miss half the time

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Well wouldnt reduce damage any further since it goes straight towards 0 thx to signature radius and explosion velocity issues most of the time...

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ah yes, we all know that a torp that hits a mega does 0 damage.
and just for your information, our guns dont hit those intys very well either

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Originally by: KD.Fluffy

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WHY do Caldari have so many missiles slots!!!

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Did it ever occur to you this thread is about the gallente turret boats that have more drone bay then every other ship similar to it of different race?

Raven 75, mega 125.
Rokh 50, Hype 100
Moa 15, thorax 50.

People arent questioning the domi or mymridons drone bays, though they probably shoudl have af ew less turret slots.

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Well actually...

Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:20:34
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 14/07/2007 13:17:28
The question is pretty serious, because gallente ships get another bonus on top.

Where is the disadvantage that balances the huge drone bay they get?

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As to your point, Gallente turret boats generally use blasters, their penalty is therefore extremely short range. When they fit rails they do not benefit from Caldari range bonuses and so suffer from poor damage and range (since Caldari can switch to higher damage ammo at greater range). To balance these points, and further keep Gallente in short-mid range they receive bonuses to tracking, drones, or MWD. Caldari turret ships receive bonuses to tank and range, making them excellent snipers and fleet warships dealing superior damage from mid-long range.

Both races have their defined roles, outside of which they perform poorly. The blasters and drones will not reach out to Caldari ranges. However beneath the rail tracking the DPS is high enough (with drone support) to defeat the strong Caldari tank.

Does this help clarify the situation at all?

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Originally by: Eagle05

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- Caldari have the best versatile range, so Gallente might have the best damage, but thats at very close range, risking alot more. Whereas you can sit in a raven at a safe range, aligned to leg it and you still do a fair amount of damage.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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This is however for the Megathron... why? Because without a range or tracking bonus the Hyperion really doesn't compete at all.

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Originally by: Jacques Danton

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Originally by: KD.Fluffy

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Well, ******, the damage difference might be because Gallente ships get 5% damage bonus per level, while the Caldari ships get 10% per level bonus to range, which you systematically try to neglect because it suits you... You obviously try to outdamage Gallente at THEIR optimal range with the same weapons and wonder why you fail...

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I don't htink you understand. Gallente can snipe almost as far as the rokh, and out damage it while doing it.

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Which part don't *you* understand - Gallente do 25% more damage with the very same weapons that Caldari use, while in the very same time Caldari do their damage at 50% (fifty percent) higher optimal range. Quite bloody obviously as Caldari you have absolutely no advantage whatsoever if you fight at Gallente's optimal range, thus making comparisons for fighting at Gallente's optimal range using the same weapons and same ammo is moronic. If you, as Caldari, fight at YOUR optimum range then damage comparison looks like - your DPS vs 0. Get it?

In addition - Caldari gets missiles, Gallente gets drones. Some Gallente ships can fire some missiles and some Caldari ships can use some drones. That's CCP's ideology for those two races - what is so damn hard to understand?

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Originally by: Cardice Makar

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Edited by: Cardice Makar on 17/07/2007 16:17:45
Holy moley....
Reading that made my brain hurt.

So, let me get this straight, what you're saying is: "Boost Amarr"? Right?

Wait a second...


[In all seriousness, though... Gallente pilots fly Gallente ships and train Gallente skills to rule supreme... and to do it, they need to train two distinct branches of skills, too. Perhaps they're "unbalanced" but that's simply because they have other negatives to compensate. I think the reason this thread continued so long is BECAUSE the ships are fairly balanced. There's points both ways. What Caldari need is a boost to the Moa and Ferox... but those are irrelevent to this discussion.]

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Originally by: CptEav1s

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Wow, you must be Caldari cause thats the only race that complains about such stupid things on the forums.

The reason Gallente have such big drone space is because thats our main DPS, the ships that have Hybrids as a big DPS usually get a tiny drone bay.

Further more, your Caldari so I'll use an example you can be familiar with. When besides missions have you ever seen people using defender missiles? Answer: only once in a blue moon. Drones can be destroyed by SB's missiles, guns (when using a web).

Plus the only real big drone users are the Domi, Ishtar, Eos (but still needs guns or Nos not to die), and Myrmidon.

Wow, so scary you fear those over the literally thousands of Drakes in lowsec which I remind you even though toned down a little with the slight increase in shield recharge are one of the most popular and dangerous ships out there.

I rest my case.

Cheers
- CptEav1s

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Ok, so your main weapon is missiles and hybrid, Caldari have more weapon fitting slots than the Gallenteans on average, missiles use less cap than guns = gallente using guns looses more cap using them than the Caldari counterpart using missiles and has fewer guns and fewer midslots on average (midslots = more cap rechargers and more sustainable tank). Thus we have the drones, they do not come for free, they are a compensation to cap usage of guns and fewer gunpoints, guns also have more limited range and hit than missiles.

To original poster, you're an idiot

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Originally by: Alexandre Reinard

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Originally by: Incantare

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You miss the part where the Moa is slower and cannot dictate range, you're also missing the part where if fit for tank + gank, possibly outdamaging a thorax it has no tackle, meaning it cannot kill anything.

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Err, I didn't think I needed to spell it out -

Originally by: Alexandre Reinard

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...shield tanking using your valuable mids...

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As for speed, if longer ranged ships had higher, or even equal speed, the *only* way a short range ship could ever kill a long range ship is when they warp in on top of them. You may not be able to dictate range indefinitely, but you do get the time it takes to close when your damage is much greater.

The Moa has issues, sure, drone bay and *total* hardpoints are not the issue though, and thats all I claimed.

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Originally by: Jasai Kameron

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Edited by: Jasai Kameron on 20/07/2007 09:00:54
Just replying to myself here, but I put together that Typhoon setup. Be aware I know very little about Minmatar ships and I'm using Quickfit for damage calculations, so the dps will be an estimate and if anyone wants to correct me, that's fine.

4 x Heavy Diminishing Nosf
4 x Dual 425mm Autocannon II

1 x 100mn Microwarpdrive II
1 x Stasis Webifier II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x Medium Cap Booster II

1 x Large Armor Rep II
1 x Medium Armor Rep II
2 x EAN II
1 x DC
2 x Gyros

1 x PowerGrid Rig

5 x Ogre II

DPS: ~ 630 dps

Here's the very best I could do with a Dominix setup, with 4 heavy nosf, a MwD and tank, with one powergrid rig:

4 x heavy diminishing nosf
1 x medium diminishing nosf
1 x small diminishing nosf

1 x 100mn MWD II
1 x stasis web II
1 x warp disruptor II
2 x medium cap booster II

1 x Large Armor Rep II
1 x Medium Armor Rep II
3 x Armor Hardeners II (therm, explo, kinetic)
1 x EAN II
1 x DC II

1 x PowerGrid Rig

5 x Ogre II

DPS: ~ 475 dps

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Originally by: Avataris

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Originally by: Benn Helmsman

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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 20/07/2007 18:06:15
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 20/07/2007 18:05:50

4 x Electron Blaster Cannons II with CN or Fed Antimatter
2 x Heavy Dim

1 x 100mn Microwarpdrive II
1 x Stasis Webifier II
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x Medium Cap Booster II
1 x Medium Cap Booster II or ECCM (very nice to be pretty save from ECM most of the time)

1 x Large Armor Rep II
1 x Medium Armor Rep II
2 x EAN II
1 x DC II
1 x MFS II
1 x PDU II

1 x PowerGrid Rig

5 x Ogre II

580 DPS average / 717 DPS on structure (on Dominix base resist / Quickfit 1.4c)

+ you got enough dronebay to take spare, sentries and smaller drones

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wow. that's pretty crappy damage for a complete tech 2 setup with faction ammo.

Guess I won't bother training Dominix.

Typhoon ftw!

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